• Metz@lemmy.world
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    the court accused him of an “ideology of maximum privacy.”

    In what twisted fucked up crazy world is that a bad thing?

    I hate this timeline…

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      If you guys do want to get into crypto to buy certain…things, though if ill advise it, I’d recommend Monero not stuff like Bitcoin.

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      If you read the verdict it says: maximum privacy combined with optimal obfuscation techniques. This implies that the sole role of the software is money laundering. The striving for privacy itself is not in question.

  • Due to its mode of operation, the court considered the software to be “specifically intended for criminals”

    Crime is an action a state doesn’t like, not necessarily wrong or evil, but serves interests other than the state. If the state has to authorize everything, then the state is favoring dominance over governance.

    When the state has to monitor all transactions it is tyranny.

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      The state is just the abstraction of the collective will of the governed, if the Dutch people have determined this is a crime against their society, then it is.

      The state holds a monopoly on violence, another monopoly isn’t a stretch.

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        Collective will is just the myth that is used to legitimize the state

        The state is also so much more than the will of the governed. To say that it is all there is to it would consider governments like those governed by the divine right of kings fo be stateless. Stalin’s Russia, or Kim Jong Un’s DPRK would then be stateless.

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      By this logic every locksmith should be put on trial for making locks, every manufacturer of vaults and safes, every lumber company for making wood used in fences, every costume designer for making halloween masks, every post office for renting PO boxes… etc.

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    money laundering is a big bad no-no word that THEY have stigmatized (conditional brainwashing) in order to get every day people to SUPPORT their regime of THEFT and CONTROL.

    “You are trying to keep your money to yourself and stop us from seeing it so that we can’t steal some of it and punish you for using it how you like??? You’re a MONEY LAUNDERER. Money laundering Money laundering Money laundering”

    When you control money, you control minds, livelihoods, and monopolize fear itself.

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        I dunno. If you manufacture tools designed specifically for killing, for example, you’ve definitely played a part in somebody’s use of your tools for killing.

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              They’re not necessarily made for killing. Most people defending themself with a pistol (whose only purpose is for shooting humans) would not want to shoot for the head or chest

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                  Was tornado cash made for laundering money?

                  My point is that gun manufacturers will say they make their products for defense, not killing. Knife manufacturers, same. Hammer manufacturers, same.

                  There’s very few products which everyone can objectively say are designed for killing.

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    This happens with cash too. If you take in a bunch of cash, you have a duty to know what it’s from so that you’re not facilitating terrorism or crime or subverting sanctions. In fact, of you handle cash or finance, you generally have to take training on these laws every year.

    This thing is the definition of money laundering and was known for exactly those problems.

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      There’s no reason people using tornado wouldn’t have to disclose their sources to the authorities, same as cash.

      But it does protect them from malicious actors.

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      But in essence, they are punishing this guy for writing code. And at least in the United States, code is considered speech. And this is a very bad precedent. I know that this is a Dutch court, but still that is not a good thing.

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        He can write the code. He can release the source. Nothing is illegal until he takes currency.

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          And see, there’s where the problem comes in. He never actually took the currency from the smart contract itself. In fact, it is still online and being used as of this day. And he is getting none of the currency just like he got none of the currency before. What they are going after him for is creating a front-end user interface to access the contract. I believe they did take a fee from that user interface since it made it simpler than interacting with the contract directly. The problem is that they are saying that by taking fees from that user interface, he is money laundering, but not everybody who used that user interface was using it for money laundering. A famous example is the creator of Ethereum used it to donate to Ukraine.

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    Wasn’t the arrest over a year ago? How much time is left on the sentence?

    This is terrible, but 5 years is pretty tolerable. Assange is in locked up for being a journalist and faces life in tortuous conditions.

    Also, write your MEP and vote pirate party.

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      Assange isn’t merely a journalist. He collobarated with russian security services and was on their payroll during his work on their “RT” initiative.

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    Looks like development of such things will have to start happening on the dark web. What a ridiculous conviction.

    In its judgement, the court accused him of an “ideology of maximum privacy.”

    What the fuck is this kind of reasoning? Is privacy illegal now?

    Anti Commercial-AI license