Smuggling weapons into other countries is a great way to ruin your own vacation.
But do it in a tropical island and congresspeople will be tripping over each other to take a ‘fact-finding’ trip down there to help you out.
This is the dumbest take. Most crimes require an element of intent. Using the same bag you use to take shooting or hunting is not intent to smuggle weapons. The quantities of the items found demonstrate no ill intent.
Just because you personally disagree with the 100 million gun owners doesn’t make this a moderate take. Imprisoning people for years because of a loose round in luggage is moronic politically and a waste of tax money.
The casual implication here that a round of ammo in your luggage doesn’t imply you are an unsafe gun owner is insane. Lost rounds don’t just happen, they are a sign that the person didn’t account for all their ammo and secure it properly. There’s no reason to give these people a pass.
I didnt say it wasn’t irresponsible and I didnt say give them a pass. I said don’t give them years in prison for an honest harmless mistake. Maybe ban them from returning? Something less extreme…
They didn’t get years in prison, look up “suspended sentence”.
I understand what words mean, thanks. I’m responding to the hordes of teenagers frothing at the mouth for severe punishment in these cases. There are 5 now.
I wouldn’t call 5 teenagers “hordes,” but you do you.
5 legal cases so far. Hordes of people in this and similar threads trying to hang tourists from the nearest tree because they enjoy guns.
Can’t you see? The dude is fighting for their life. He’s literally spearheading the defense of those poor american. He might also be the one who will change the law of another country. 😄🫡
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Do you realize there are 5 cases already like this? Do you know why? Because this mistake is super common.
Do you realize that means this probably happened dozens of times a year before this recent change took effect? And that all those people in the past returned home with their ammo completely undetected by anyone, including themselves?
You know what something’s called when nobody even notices it happened?
Harmless. Absent of harm.
Do you realize there are 5 cases already like this? Do you know why? Because this mistake is super common.
Maybe it’s common for Americans to be this lax with their weaponry?
I don’t see the citizens of other countries making the same “common” mistake.
You just completely switch the argument with a red herring.
It doesn’t matter whether that person is a safe gun owner or not here. And a lost round of ammunition is such an armchair take it makes me question if you should even have an opinion on the subject…
A round of ammunition in your bag should not equate to years of prison, end of story.
I had a box of .22 rounds in my backpack that I was bringing back from the gun store. Lo and behold it was loose, and some had unknowingly fell into my bag. I didn’t notice they were there for years until I did a deep clean of my backpack. No one counts throw-away ammunition.
“Responsible gun owner” right here, folks.
Good to see that Lemmy is becoming as toxic A wasteland as Reddit ever was.
- Armchairing ✅
- Personal attacks instead of attacking the arguments ✅
- Silent downvotes instead of actual discussion ✅
- Misrepresenting an anecdote ✅
All I did was provide an anecdote to show how easy it is to lose a round of ammunition. No one is strictly inventorying their .22 ammunition, it literally comes in boxes of loose rounds. Holes in the corners easily cause some to be misplaced during transportation. It’s not common but it happens, and when it does you’re not going to know, because, again, no one is inventorying their loose rounds.
Despite me calling out the armchair opinion, you decide that doubling down on the armchairness was more appropriate, and used an anecdote as a way to personally attack me, instead of my argument.
You made no attempt to actually address the point I was making, and instead took the easy route which is just personal attacks…
You can do better than that.
Try getting busted entering the US with half a gram of weed stuck in some fold of your bag, and see how they treat you.
Try that in Singapore or Iran.
The only thing that would happen is confiscation and denied entry.
And what is your point? That imprisoning those people for 4 years is good and fair policy and other countries should do it too?
If this happened in the States, they would be imprisoned as well. No country is going to let that shit slide, champ.
Smuggling is always the smugglers fault.
That he’s an irresponsible gun owner too is just the cherry on top.
You keep using that word. It isn’t smuggling, it is forgetting a round of ammo in a bag. Your view on this is extreme. There is nuance in the world…
And this is why drug cartels use cute white women as mules - to skate by on “It’s for personal use” excuses if they get caught.
Also a really fucking stupid take? It should always be based on the facts of the case, not the color of skin or gender. If a cute white woman is carrying guns and hundreds of rounds of ammo punish away.
Why are you so certain that the people in this case weren’t intentionally smuggling ammunition?
Because of the quantity and having a brain.
He packed his own contraband in his own bag and brought it to a foreign country.
That’s the definition of smuggling.
No, it isn’t.
The Oxford dictionary definition:
smuggling noun
the illegal movement of goods into or out of a country. “cocaine smuggling has increased alarmingly”
You see how it says “illegal” there? In smuggling cases there has to be this other thing called “intent” for it to have been illegal.
If a Mexican gets some codeine at a Mexican pharmacy, forgets it in their bag, and flies into the USA we don’t pay tax money to imprison them for years. We take it, ban them, and send them back.
Why? Because they are careless, not smugglers.
Ahh yes, the “how dare they hold him accountable for his own actions” take.
Imagine my surprise when I quickly found you self identify as a libertarian.
Shocking.
Show me where I said that they shouldn’t hold him accountable? Or the others, including the grandma?
But yeah sure make it about political beliefs instead of facts.
Rofl. Ok, I’ll reply once to your walrusing, but this is it.
You applied US law standards to a foreign nation. Intent, commonality of gun ownership.
This is a foreign nation with their own very strict gun and drug laws. This is very common in 3rd world tourism based countries, particularly island countries. It’s to keep their country controlled and safe, which is essential for the tourism industry. And many of these countries have devastating drug cartel histories, though I don’t know this particular countries history with them.
But yeah, this is all about your gun rights to be careless with your firearms and ammunition, and your rights to travel to other countries and disrespect their laws.
I’m not going to spell out how this is all related to “accountability” because it’s abundantly obvious.
And your victimized take on my pulling your political affiliation is rich, given your words I was replying to:
Just because you personally disagree with the 100 million gun owners doesn’t make this a moderate take. Imprisoning people for years because of a loose round in luggage is moronic politically and a waste of tax money.
But I guess not wanting to be accountable for your own words tracks.
I have never said anything about gun rights in relation to this case at all. I was suggesting that the other posters extremist views stem not from applying reason but instead from their prejudiced political views against guns. Just like your posts can’t get around your prejudice about my political views.
Regarding the actually substantive part of your reply: I am not simply applying US law standards in my argument. Intent is a globally recognized legal standard that actually stems from British common law and applies in T+C law as well.
I agree with most of the rest of what you said here about why their laws exist, but the application of it to these tourists in a tourism focused economy is wrong. This is at the end of the day a customs issue. Imprisoning a vacationing grandmother for 2 loose rounds would be insanity.
In your previous post you offered nothing substantive at all. You literally searched my post history to see if I was a member of any groups against which you’re prejudiced so you could feel better about dismissing my arguments without actually addressing them. That’s pathetic.
And again as far as accountability goes, I never suggested they shouldn’t be held accountable. Only that the years long prison sentences are absurd given the facts.
The article has been updated. It wasn’t 52 months, it was 52 weeks. The person quoted misspoke.
Thank you. I’ll correct the title.
Sounds like a lovely place to visit. Unarmed, naturally.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An American tourist who was arrested in the Turks and Caicos Islands earlier this year for possessing ammunition was given a suspended sentence of 52 months on Friday and was expected to be released, a spokesperson posted to social media.
Bryan Hagerich of Pennsylvania was one of several Americans facing a potential mandatory minimum sentence of 12 years in prison on ammunition charges in the British territory.
This is a breaking news story.
Check back for updates.
The original article contains 77 words, the summary contains 76 words. Saved 1%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
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The article is ~730 words not including heads, not 77 like the bot claims.
It’s been updated since the bot saw it.
I just wanted to know what the one removed word was.