• goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
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    4 months ago

    we’re going to attack those investigating war crimes

    Do they think this is a winning strategy while also admitting Israel is causing a famine?

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      4 months ago

      Israel is a state actor that has not signed on to the ICC, just like the US. Hamas is a non-state actor over which the ICC claims jurisdiction, just like the Taliban and any number of other terrorist groups. The US is really afraid of setting a precedent here that might impact it in the future.

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        4 months ago

        Long way of saying it is supporting and aiding genocide that it desperately wants the world to go back to ignoring like the last seven decades.

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          How specifically are US interests served by a genocide of Palestinians? They aren’t. The US doesn’t care about Palestine at all, but it would be better off if Israel weren’t doing the indefensible. The US just wants Israel as an ally to assist in projecting power in the Middle East.

          I sympathize with the desire to end what Israel is doing, but the first step is understanding the national interests at play. It’s not an excuse for anything, but it’s necessary to understand the dynamics at play in order to try and change those dynamics.

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            The problem with this argument is that it requires people to want to understand. To them, and rightfully so, Genocide = Bad. The reality is the situation is complex on a worldwide scale, with many powers at play in the background. BUT that still doesn’t change that bad is happening. It only provides a reason for it, not justification.

            There is also an excellent chance that there is information we are not privy to, and a much smaller chance that some greater good is being done by taking these stances. I just really doubt that’s the case. Either way, voters and large parts of the World are stuck. Here is the U.S. most of us know what we have to do and that leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth because many of us innately understand what is the morally right choice.

            Still gonna vote for Biden. He HAS done some good and the alternative is a very obvious hard no. However, I am also seriously considering supporting his removal after he is voted in for a second term unless some significant and correct action is taken, or fundamentally groundbreaking information is released. That said, the literal long term best course of action those of us in the U.S. can take is the come together and for the next four years collectively lean on the voting booths and our representatives, and against corporations and large for-profit organizations.

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            Is your assertion that the US and Israel will no longer be allies if the US doesn’t support Netanyahu’s actions? Isn’t Israel’s government made up of a lot more than a single man’s actions, and doesn’t Israel have a lot more to lose by losing us as an ally than we do by losing them? I say we call their bluff and let this murderer go to jail. The Israeli government will clean up the mess he made and still be our ally.

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        I just want to put this general information out there to counter any potential misinformation pushers here or anywhere on this topic.

        The ICC recognizes the Palestinian Authority and the State of Palestine as a state actor, not Hamas. And the PA ratified the Rome Statute in 2015, submitting their instrument of accession. Other partially recognized states are also free to join the Rome Statute if they choose, such as Taiwan, Kosovo, and more. The former is actually considering to do so as of last year in order to have more protections against China.

        So, yes, Palestine is fully allowed recognition and jurisdiction by the ICC. This was helped by the UN making the State of Palestine an official non-member observer state in 2012.