Every day there’s a new article trying to shame workers for existing.
Boy I’m getting super sick of these, “Millennials are doing this ____ , gen Zers are ruining that ____ , boomers are mad about ____” articles. Having one less thing to divide us as people would be nice right about now.
The only true generational division is lead poisoning induced aggression Vs micro plastic induced sterility.
Unfortunately, it’s accumulative. I’m fortunate enough to have experienced leaded gasoline as well as a nutsack full of microplastics.
3 more generational disasters to go before you can shout BINGO! Keep it up
Yeah man I hear you on this. One of my younger coworkers was like “OK boomer” when I told him something, I was like “dude, we are ALL fucking Americans, cut that shit out.” There was a brief moment of lucidity in his eyes, and then it died. I don’t think I got through to him.
You want to really blow his mind? Tell him that the original Generation X were people who were young adults after WWII ended.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X#Terminology_and_etymology
If you really want to blow his mind, tell him that Gen-Z is the generation who were young adults when WWIII started.:-P
I wonder when I’ll be regarded as a person/adult.
When you commit a crime.
Like the movie Jaws, “When do I get to be an islander?”
“Never, you’re not born in the late 40s to mid 60s, you’ll never be an adult.”
We may as well call ourselves the Peter Pan generation.
Peter Pan generation
I’m actually okay with that. Growing up is stupid. Bills and politics and heartburn and hemorrhoids and shit.
Millennials, otherwise know as 28-43 year olds.
“Back in my day, we just bought a fancy red sports car for our mid-life crisis!”
Millennials are basically 80% of the average tech company. We can just call them “employees” now.
And of course they are.
I have “unlimited PTO” at my office, which sounds nice, but what it effectively means is that you now have to police yourself, to determine whether or not you’re taking off “too much.” Which ends up meaning that the vast majority of employees take less PTO than they’re entitled to (or if they were just given a set amount to take each year), because they’re afraid of being seen as a slacker, or someone who is taking advantage of the PTO policy. Since there are no set guidelines, it means it’s left up to you to decide how fearful of unemployment you are, and how much you let that influence your vacation days.
Out of “Unlimited PTO,” I take about 7-10 days off a year 🙃
You should call their bluff. I worked at a place like that and took a ton of PTO lol. It was fine. If they say you take too much then it’s not unlimited so they aren’t going to say anything because the other people still take less anyways.
I get 10 hours PTO every quarter (max is 80) I use every goddamm minute of it. I also get 3 weeks vacation which until they fucked us and made it recurring I am unable to use all 3 weeks by end of year. They also you can only take blocks of 4 hours at a time that also sucks.
They at least let us roll it over into the next year. So I will be holding up a shit ton so next year taking two vacations one in May and one in either in June or July then still have enough for October.
Fuck recurring vacation time it’s bullshit.
Wait what? So you can’t ever take a full day or days off?
Having to ask for PTO — also known as “unlimited PTO” — is the the shittiest employment practice.
Every time a recruiter tells me a company offers “unlimited PTO” I ask if I can please have regular old finite-but-actually-yours PTO.
Unlimited PTO here, completely disagree.
I had so much more trouble at previous jobs getting approved for PTO, and it sucked ass trying to ration out my sick/vacation days to make sure I could be out and still get paid. Hell, I had to borrow against my next year’s PTO at one job to be able to go on my honeymoon.
The current gig I’m at just wants to know when I’ll be gone, and doesn’t really comment on it. It’s been great while dealing with kid/health issues and I’ve taken more PTO at this gig than I did at my previous couple gigs in 1/3 the time.
I think that has more to do with who you’re working for directly than anything else.
It’s great - if you have a good boss.
Unlimited cons: need approval, don’t get paid for unused time when you leave
Limited cons: needs approval, some places have use it or lose it policy for each year or you need to wait for days to accrue, limited sick daysUnlimited pros: unlimited, usually comes with unlimited sick days, don’t have to worry about accruing days
Limited pros: get paid for unused days when you leaveI like our European rules, when we are guaranteed PTO by law and employers would often force you to take it when you accumulated too much unused off days. The system cares even for those who would not care for themselves.
Last year I was forced to take 2 weeks PTO just before Christmas so my company wouldn’t get slapped with fines. Unexpected, but welcome. I just hadn’t checked how many days were left unused.
I like our European rules as well.
Even regular old finite PTO may not actually be yours depending on the state. My state does not require you to be paid out for it if you leave the job.
I’ve found that people that get fucked with unlimited was their own fault. Anxiety and not being able to detach. My peers are taking like 40 days a year 🤷♂️
their own fault. Anxiety and not being able to detach
Thanks, I didn’t realize having anxiety was also my fault
It’s a spectrum. I manage a few teams. I, for a small portion of them, am constantly talking them off a cliff for minor issues outside of their control or responsibilities. Fearing they were going to be viewed unsuccessful. This is despite clear and constant feedback about their great performance, recent promotions, raises, and myself and direct managers saying, “this is a problem for the business to fix, it’s a blocker that management needs to fix so you aren’t dealing with it”. Some folks are very poor at handling that in a healthy way.
Those people you have to talk off a cliff, it’s because they are cognizant of the fact that they are but 1-2 missed paychecks from being homeless. And if they’re not, well, how long did it take them to get this job? Doubt they have the financial ability to weather another period of unemployment. I’m gainfully employed, get regular raises, but I’m still struggling, despite earning (20k) more than the median worker where I live. The next used car I buy, I’m making sure that I’ll be able to live in there if worse comes to worse.
the stress that accompanies poverty is far-reaching, and invades every other aspect of your life. We’re all just terrified of dying alone on the street, because right now in the U.S. that’s a very real possibility for 60% of us.
I think it depends on the workplace. I usually take around 4-5 weeks off a year but my manager is chill. I could see a bad manager rejecting most of your vacation time
I had a job where we had an old fashioned paper office calendar. If we wanted to use PTO we simply wrote the days on the calendar. Our boss only wanted to know if multiple people from a workgroup were leaving on the same day or if it may cause issues (and he trusted us to figure that out). It was glorious.
My wife is only approved to take PTO once they find someone to work the shift. And they will not even try until the month before. We buy plane tickets 3-9 months out.
If you’re buying tickets that far in advance, PTO is less of a request and more of “notifying you to fill those days”.
It’s not just younger people. Asking to use my well earned time off was a chore, and I had to justify it! Like… WHAT THE FUCK. I work 12-14 hours a day and you think I need to justify needing some time off?
Meantime, I’m looking for a new job.
A majority, 78%, of U.S. workers say they don’t take all their PTO days, and it’s highest among Gen Z workers and millennials
Younger professionals say they don’t ask for time off because they feel pressure to meet deadlines and be productive
Another article sensationalizing the term “millennial” for clicks. Millennials are in their 40s now.
My man. The vast majority of millenials are in their 30’s. Not 40’s. I get it, time flies, we’re old… but not THAT old.
nah we are the new old. all the microplastics and pollution and shit they put in the food and water is aging us earlier. before long people will look 40-50 in their 20s.
I have a remote job with a defined “territory”, which my job never requires me to explore (think regional manager that doesn’t report to an office). Five years ago I asked my boss to move, they said no, I moved anyway and just never changed my address in the system. I have a permanent mail forwarding set up, and file an additional state tax form every year (one to reclaim taxes from the state my employer thinks I live, and one to pay the taxes to the state I actually live in), but other than that it has caused me no problems.
My company doesn’t pay out for unused PTO, so my boss will periodically (but more often towards the end of the year) tell us to use our vacation days if we still have some. He’ll even call us and basically beg us to use them if we still have some in October.
I used to feel bad about calling out or taking PTO when I worked hospitality, because I knew that if I wasn’t there, someone else had to fill in. Now I do warranty repairs for major PC manufacturers, so if I call out or take PTO, some clients might be annoyed, but I’m not inconveniencing any of my coworkers. It helps that my boss is awesome and encourages us to use it or call in if we don’t feel well.
“bosses keep trying to come up with new words for ‘not doing extra work for free’”
I don’t think it’s bosses actually. I think this is the runaway click bait machine of “business outlets” trying to recapture the unexpected success of the whole “quiet quitting” thing they celebrated themselves for reinventing. “Stille Kündigung” is the literal translation for quiet quitting in German and it has been around for years, referring to an employee who has already decided that they wanna quit and mentally cut all ties to their jobs but haven’t acted on this yet. But even in Germany, the business media kept yapping about 'quiet quitting ’ as if it was something new and something to be afraid of…
This article is class war propaganda!
This is what the ceos think is happening so they print this to use as an example of why we need to come back to offices.
My coworker just sits in his desk on his phone. He’s quiet, I guess, but we all see it.
Hey I’m not snitching.
Yeah I guess I’ll just do his work too for the same pay
Why are you doing his work? That’s not your responsibility, but your management.
Because shit needs to get done or we all look bad. If you have suggestions, please let me know, but complaints aren’t welcome.
Bro you’re a prime candidate for quiet quitting.
If everyone looks bad because of the weakness of one person, you are being taken advantage of.
So fire him? I do plan to have a chat with him on Tuesday, off the record, about this. I want to give him every opportunity to turn around.
Never met a single person who does this.
To be fair, if you did you’d keep that shit to yourself. Same with all the people that work multiple remote Dev jobs.
Bet its like the Tide Pod thing. Like 4-5 people did it and media sprung on it like its the hip new dabpen vape skibidi fortnite trend or whatevet
Not quite the focus of this article, but I’ve personally ‘worked from home’ while on kind of a soft vacation.
During Covid, found a great trail which had alright cell reception at the summit. I had a few days where I’d go hiking in the morning and work on my hotspot for near the top. Had a few weeks off and on working on a balcony in Florida overlooking the beach. There’s definitely some out there taking full days off and doing nothing, but I feel like a lot of the mentioned ‘time off without telling your boss’ is probably closer to situations like that.
