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I almost chocked on my coffee in the first 20 seconds :)
I stopped after the PS3wii360 but I have to say, the PS4 was legit garbage that took FOREVER to load and played like poo (hence why I stopped) but I gotta admit the base PS5 and Xbox whatever are FANTASTIC machines. The AMD video chips and SSDs make a heck of a difference.
That’s really the key. The PS4 and even Pro were fighting for their lives by the end of the generation. Anyone who claims the upgrade to a PS5 was “minute” is lying to themselves about their jet engine PS4
Could not agree more. I left consoles for only computer and stopped caring about exclusives, and even my bitch ass recognizes the PS5 as amazing. The PS4 was horrible though. You’re totally right.
Yes besides all of the brand new hardware that improved load times dramatically and can reliably play games at 60fps without blowing out your eardrums due to fan noise, the best new controller to hit the market since the first rumble pak, and all the new games to play on it, it didn’t improve much… lol
You better settle in bucko because I have some bad news, it only gets more incremental from here.
Well from that perspective literally any upgrade at all is entirely pointless and a waste of money. There’s no point upgrading from your Nintendo 64. None of the games made possible by any console since can truly make any games inherently more fun, it’s all just graphical and performance enhancements.
I have to assume you’re too young to remember previous generations.
Increased power makes a difference up to a point, but we’re now so far into diminishing returns you can hardly tell the difference between a ps4 game and the ps5 ‘enhanced’ if you don’t have a 4k TV.
Increased computing power used to open up entirely new concepts in gaming. 3D environments, then larger and larger worlds, dynamic physics engines, more complex NPC Ai and more power to run larger numbers of enemies at a time.
Now, it hardly matters. There’s more than enough power to do pretty much anything you want. Unlimited worlds, thousands of NPCs, photorealistic graphics, and absolutely nothing new. It can always be ‘bigger and better’ but at what point does that stop mattering? For me, it was last console generation.
Increased computing power used to open up entirely new concepts in gaming. 3D environments, then larger and larger worlds, dynamic physics engines, more complex NPC Ai and more power to run larger numbers of enemies at a time.
Absolutely none of that makes a new console inherently more fun. Many of the games I have on my launch PS1 and N64 are to this day unsurpassed. Not only that but some of the most critically acclaimed, genre defining games of the last 10 years could be run on a calculator. On the other hand we have all this extra compute power yet video game AI is universally garbage. To this very day the hands down best combat AI in a game are Halo 1 and the original F.E.A.R.
Console upgrades today are about making things prettier, fit on bigger screens, and perform better. If you think the jump from PS4 to PS5 wasn’t worth the money, there’s no upgrade that will ever be worth it to you again.
I’m confused why you seem like you’re arguing with me but still fundamentally making the same point. Those improvements don’t inherently make games more fun, but they create opportunities for variety and new elements to the medium. It was previous tech improvements that made Halo and F.E.A.R. possible, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
But processing power isn’t really a relevant limitation to game design anymore. I genuinely don’t see any future console generations being particularly enticing for me, outside an upgrade to my steam deck, especially when most of what I play is 5-20 years old anyway.
You’ve got it backwards. I said from your perspective, any upgrade will be a waste of money. You then proceeded to argue how from your perspective, any upgrade will be a waste of money.
“Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.
I stopped after the PS3wii360 but I have to say, the PS4 was legit garbage that took FOREVER to load and played like poo (hence why I stopped) but I gotta admit the base PS5 and Xbox whatever are FANTASTIC machines. The AMD video chips and SSDs make a heck of a difference.
That’s pronounced “pthwee sixty”
That’s really the key. The PS4 and even Pro were fighting for their lives by the end of the generation. Anyone who claims the upgrade to a PS5 was “minute” is lying to themselves about their
jet enginePS4Seriously why does a PS4 sound like a jet engine even when no game is loaded?
Could not agree more. I left consoles for only computer and stopped caring about exclusives, and even my bitch ass recognizes the PS5 as amazing. The PS4 was horrible though. You’re totally right.
We gained ssd drives sure, I agree that’s a great improvement.
But 4k30 still feels like a minute upgrade as it’s not native 4k.
Forget about the stated 8k on the PS5 box, lol.
What else did we gain… Less battery life for the controller (but the haptics are great).
More thumbstick drift.
Maybe, 8 exclusives? 12?
Not worth it to me.
Yes besides all of the brand new hardware that improved load times dramatically and can reliably play games at 60fps without blowing out your eardrums due to fan noise, the best new controller to hit the market since the first rumble pak, and all the new games to play on it, it didn’t improve much… lol
You better settle in bucko because I have some bad news, it only gets more incremental from here.
Lmao, you’re a Sony fan boy aren’t you?
Nah, just a guy who has actually used both consoles and understands the state of Compute today.
Alright, you do you. I’m not happy with Sony’s approach, so I won’t be buying any of their new products.
(Unless they make a Vita 2 that is actually priced well for the specs)
Nah, better lighting doesn’t do a damn thing to make a game more fun. The only notable difference that even matters is better load times.
Well from that perspective literally any upgrade at all is entirely pointless and a waste of money. There’s no point upgrading from your Nintendo 64. None of the games made possible by any console since can truly make any games inherently more fun, it’s all just graphical and performance enhancements.
I have to assume you’re too young to remember previous generations.
Increased power makes a difference up to a point, but we’re now so far into diminishing returns you can hardly tell the difference between a ps4 game and the ps5 ‘enhanced’ if you don’t have a 4k TV.
Increased computing power used to open up entirely new concepts in gaming. 3D environments, then larger and larger worlds, dynamic physics engines, more complex NPC Ai and more power to run larger numbers of enemies at a time.
Now, it hardly matters. There’s more than enough power to do pretty much anything you want. Unlimited worlds, thousands of NPCs, photorealistic graphics, and absolutely nothing new. It can always be ‘bigger and better’ but at what point does that stop mattering? For me, it was last console generation.
Absolutely none of that makes a new console inherently more fun. Many of the games I have on my launch PS1 and N64 are to this day unsurpassed. Not only that but some of the most critically acclaimed, genre defining games of the last 10 years could be run on a calculator. On the other hand we have all this extra compute power yet video game AI is universally garbage. To this very day the hands down best combat AI in a game are Halo 1 and the original F.E.A.R.
Console upgrades today are about making things prettier, fit on bigger screens, and perform better. If you think the jump from PS4 to PS5 wasn’t worth the money, there’s no upgrade that will ever be worth it to you again.
I’m confused why you seem like you’re arguing with me but still fundamentally making the same point. Those improvements don’t inherently make games more fun, but they create opportunities for variety and new elements to the medium. It was previous tech improvements that made Halo and F.E.A.R. possible, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
But processing power isn’t really a relevant limitation to game design anymore. I genuinely don’t see any future console generations being particularly enticing for me, outside an upgrade to my steam deck, especially when most of what I play is 5-20 years old anyway.
You’ve got it backwards. I said from your perspective, any upgrade will be a waste of money. You then proceeded to argue how from your perspective, any upgrade will be a waste of money.
Well that is my argument, we hit diminishing returns this generation, and further upgrades are a waste of money.
If you have anything relevant to add, it’s certainly welcome, but ignoring context to try to make my point sound worse is just wasting both our time.
We’ve been at diminishing returns for close to 20 years now. I’m not sure exactly what your point is.