“Fidelity is currently valuing X at about $9.4 billion”
I found this funny.
Musk did not buy this as an investment. He bought it to flip elections and manipulate public opinion.
Tesla is writing him a check that will cover the entire purchase price, and Saudi Arabia and Russia will pay the operating costs.
Active users are what matters; if they lost 75% of their users then I’m paying attention.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure he gave an outlandish bid for Twitter to manipulate it’s stock prices when he pulled put, but he was sued into following through.
I don’t think he ever wanted to buy it, or at least he wanted to crash it’s value to come back and buy it on the cheap.
Given his unlimited resources, and the world’s worst people on speed dial, do you not think that the powers that be could have orchestrated that?
If he was that competent why would he resort to openly pumping and dumping meme coins in public just prior to this stunt.
He has some dangerous strings he can pull, but that doesn’t make him a good puppet master.
Broken clock and all that
then why not buy it normally like a human from earth and instead involve this lawsuit to make himself look like an absolute moron
I think you’re giving the guy too much credit. Sometimes things are as they seen. He just didn’t like the moderation scheme on Twitter, made a gesture buying it, fumbled a little bit and overbid, then after having been forced to acquire it tried to turn it into something closer to what he wanted it to be.
I think it’s even pettier than that. He’s the loud guy on the forum who literally bought the site so he could be admin.
Honestly, everyone needs to listen to the episode of Search Engine about Elon. It’s such a clear narrative of what happened between the Iron Man cameo and now. It’s pure hubris - someone who is very unlikable desperately hungry for love to the point where his brain bust a fuse.
Aren’t 75% of the users Russian bots? Lol
We’ll never know since Musk is nurturing a state-funded “user”-base that will always keep their numbers inflated
If he’s trying to flip elections, he needs to at least pretend it’s being operated in good faith.
I agree 100%. Liberals retweeting how Elon is losing money is actually making him money
its worth comes from being able to influence world politics. Does he seem like someone who cares or needs money?
Twitter currently has $1.5 billion/year deficit which is a lot, even for Musk, to bankroll.
that brightens my day a little to hear
Source? Where is that money going?
Interest on loans, payroll, cloud infrastructure e.g. AWS
Those are mostly operating costs, offset by revenue, but are they actually losing 1.5 billion dollars a year? I mean, I hope so, but are they really?
True, but that power is also diminished greatly as more and more regular users abandon the site. No eyes on the propaganda makes it worth a lot less.
Yeah I’m sure I’m not the norm but I’m actually shocked when I see companies advertising their talent’s twitter accounts on tv broadcasts. I truly can’t believe that site is still mainstream after everything that’s happened.
Idk then I look over and see trump as a presidential candidate and ugh… I guess I’m just still not comfortable/accepting of how far off the rails things have gone 🙁
The natural language dataset is worth a lot. That’s why they’re and Reddit made the sites harder to use/scrape.
Does he seem like someone who cares or needs money?
He got a massive load to buy Twitter, so yeah, he does.
He didn’t bilk Tesla shareholders into his huge pay package because he doesn’t care about money.
We knew this was going to happen before he made the purchase.
Everyone said, the best way for Elon to keep his money was to change very little, or even take a hands-off approach.
Masnick suggested this would happen
It was that and so much worse. Moral of the story: Running a huge social media service is hard. Maybe don’t assume that because you’re a billionaire you’re the best at doing stuff.
Meanwhile he is on track to become the world’s first trillionaire
I think the purchase was more about welding power than any financial gain
He tried to back out, I don’t think any of this was about anything. He’s just a dick with a weird sense of humor.
First step to becoming a billionaire: start with 1 trillion
Hasn’t his wealth kinda flatlined lately though? X is doing terribly, Tesla is struggling a bit, I think SpaceX is at least doing well.
I don’t think he’s going to be a trillionaire any time soon.
Now, call me crazy, but if I was optimizing for maximum welding power, I’d start with oxy acetylene and at least try a few other options. How would buying a website even be a good start?
No wonder people are making fun of him!
He needs all the welding power he can get to keep the Tesla’s held together
Would you not agree that he has a tool of influence with X? I see that as the main aspect of why you’d still buy twitter, even though he knew he wouldn’t earn money with that.
I mean the people at Twitter were very happy to sell it off. Remember how they actually sued to force him to go through with the deal and succeeded in stopping him from backing out?
Even if he’d managed it as well as the prior stewards, it was always a losing business.
If the price offered is actually a good price then I think they might have some obligation to shareholders to pursue it. (Many of the people making that decision likely also being shareholders.) Like if someone offered you more than what your stuff is worth but tried to changed their mind, wouldn’t you pursue that? I don’t think that’s any sort of indicator that they thought it was a sinking ship. It’s just in their best interest to take a good deal when they get one.
I think you make a good point. But we don’t have to guess whether they thought Twitter was struggling. We know it was.
Twitter never managed to develop an online ad business that matched the scale of its influence in popular culture and society at large. Twitter has lost money in six of the eight years since its IPO.
Source: CNBC
My point is that if someone offers you a good price for what you believe you have have, you take it. If they thought it was good and they got a good price for it they’d take it. If they thought it was bad and they got a good price for it they’d take it.
Yes I did read your comment before :)
You’re saying that accepting his offer is not necessarily a statement of low confidence in their own business. I get you.
But we can’t separate the notion of it being a good price apart from its being a bad business. It was a great offer in part because the business was so poor. By all estimates he vastly overpaid.
So yes, it was a good price.
And yes, it was a bad business and yes they knew it. With no other offers on the table, they pulled out all the stops to ensure it went through. It was their and their shareholders only chance for a payday with the business as bleak as it was.
All of these things are true.
“Maybe don’t assume that because you’re a billionaire you’re the best at doing stuff.”
This is literally every second generation billionaire. They seem to have the tendency to believe that their success is solely due to their intelligence and not at all due to their parents’ connections and money.
I mean, yeah we all knew he overpaid, but losing over 75%? I didn’t expect that.
Twitter wasn’t profitable right? So most of the “value” is in the name of the product. Elon changed the name and added his signature to everything the platform was doing, completely changing the platform Twitter is. So yeah, I do get why 75% of the money is gone now.
Changing the name of one of the most valuable brands isn’t something I’d expect even him to do.
Masnick gives 20 levels of development. Elon stopped here:
Level Two: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM!”
And that’s about it. Ex-Twitter has copyright infringement, hate speech and doesn’t give a fuck about local laws unless the law actually has teeth (Brasil, anybody?).
and then he fires trust and safety and it gets riddled and plagued with csam
Masnick’s post is well put, but also a disturbing reminder of how much power nation-states can exert over the Internet.
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The way to make it hurt is to establish a replacement that keeps discussions away from trolls and hate propaganda.
My first thought is ‘I can’t wait for it to turn zero’ but then I realize that 79% decline from 44 billion still means it is worth 9.24 billion.
And that is still a shitload of money.
But on the plus side, this idiot is 34.76 billion poorer
A real socialist! Took money from the rich to give it to the poor (minded). /s
And may it continue to crash and burn. It’s just 4 chan at this point.
It’s like 4chan but it didn’t know where the line was for the amount of right wing people to be on a social media and ran a marathon
4chan at least had a consistent brand of being the anti-social network and being full of Nazis, weirdos, pedophiles and people who are just anti-social for the lulz. You couldn’t ruin 4chan.
Twitter’s image was being the “internet town-square for serious thinkers” with politicians, scientists, journalists and a small but good measure of standard shitposters. Loosing that brand diminishes it’s value massively. Unfortunately neither Bluesky nor Mastodon was able to catch that clientele yet.
Twitter was useful.
X is just useful idiots at this point.
If they influence the election to their desired outcome, then the value won’t matter. The damage will have been done.
Is elon a Trump fan?
Yes, he gets a raging fascist boner every time someone fails to assassinate Trump because he thinks it’s the cue to go full Nazi but really he just keeps jumping the gun and making it far too obvious deeply part of Trump’s ongoing fascist takeover schemes and really not the guy we should have any significant government contracts with
I see, thanks for the insight. I don’t have Twitter so I didn’t really know about this stuff 😂
Uhm… Yes. Like a lot.
Yes, trump has also offered him a spot on his cabinet
I just checked and it’s worth nothing to anyone important.
Didn’t he pay too much for it in the first place?
Yea. He made a baseless offer before investigating. And the. Got called on it.
paying too much is when you buy a ubisoft game. what he did is officially the worst deal since the financial crisis.
It is amazing how some people can fail upward
It was never worth 44 billion USD
False, because someone paid that much for Twitter.
It was worth 44bn to it’s former owners.
They should tweet that
But then , they’ll get banned 😛
Isn’t Musk all for free speech ?
Absolutely! He simply has a very original take on “freedom”, but we all know that’s a tricky word to pin down, so don’t think about it too much, and leave it to the big dogs to tell you when your freedom is being protected.
“Free speech for me, but not for thee” lol
Posts about value are ads. Stop give exposure to this guy or his companies
Musk is and always has been an incompetent yet lucky scammer.
Twitter will be bankrupt within two years.
!Remindme 2 Years
Ho wait it’s not working here
How to become a billionaire: Start with 54 billion
