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“What’s happening in Gaza is not genocide. We reject that,” Biden said at a Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House.
I can’t tell if he’s pandering or trying to lose the election
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Original article: https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-whats-happening-gaza-is-not-genocide-2024-05-20/
It’s pretty clear to me Biden’s trying to thread the needle on this in a gruesome way. The argument seems to follow the form of: civilian deaths are collateral damage, this is unfortunate but this is war and they are not purposely being targeted and so this is not genocide.
However that almost willfully ignores the denial and blocking of aid to the same affected civilians, which is a deliberate action that despite the cover story being to prevent it reaching Hamas, falls entirely flat as regardless, it results in direct suffering and death of the civilians. I say almost because some small efforts have been made to push back against the denial of aid, but as is evident to anyone monitoring the situation, these efforts are all far too small to address the widespread suffering and death of the Gazan people.
This whole semantics game around genocide is simply disgusting. You know those in government know exactly what people mean when they’re calling it that, they want an end to the killing and an end to the deaths of civilians, whether from military strikes or denial of aid.
Biden stressed his belief that Israel was the victim dating back to the Oct. 7 attack
Yes, we are not disputing that. Israel definitely was the victim at the time. But that doesn’t mean they’re allowed to kill so many innocent people that we now have lost the count
Its not genocide because its not from the Atroci region of sub saharan Africa or the Geno region of Central and Eastern Europe.
It’s actually sparkling murder induced relocation of an indigenous people, based solely on their ethnic identity, specifically to bring about the destruction of said ethnic group.
I hope that clears everything up.
Where are the Biden boyfriends that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter? I said multiple times on lemmy that a lot of people go above and beyond to support this horrible person who repeatedly mentioned his fantasies for an israeli state and serving it since he was a kid.
Trump is worse but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize this piece of shit.
And the worst thing is I live far away from the US and still get called Trump supporter for calling this sicko a sicko.
It’s like he can’t even do the bare minimum of keeping his mouth shut.
Him or Trump. Both of them would probably be more popular if they just shut the fuck up once in a while.
One day I want to see someone get elected based simply on the fact that they just don’t say anything. Like, Mr. Bean their way to the presidency.
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That would be Calvin Coolidge, aka “Silent Cal.” Supposedly, he was once bet that he could be made to say three words, and he replied, “you lose.”
That said, he’s not an especially highly-rated president.
It’s like he wants young people and liberals to not vote for his dumb ass.
It’s more like he knows liberals and young people have to vote for him or they’ll get a fascist instead.
They’ll get a hard core fascist with Trump. With Biden they’ll get a fascist-lite. None of the offensive parts of fascism. Just the corruption and special interests dictating policy parts.
The US administration is so corrupt that it is hard to get anything useful done. Even if it is something that has been obvious for decades.
Tell me you don’t know what fascism is without telling me what fascism is.
It’s when a leader supports Genocide and smacks down any dissent with violence.
Biden is actively threatening the ICC with sanctions and people say he’s not a fascist lmao.
Tell me you don’t know what fascism is without telling me what fascism is.
Remember, it’s only genocide if it originates from occupied Poland. Otherwise, it’s just sparkling mass extermination.
Nah, it’s only genocide if it’s carried with the intent to target the whole ethnic group, including civilians. Something that if the IDF really wanted, would’ve meant 100 times the casualties.
That’s what they’re doing by starving the entire population.
A thing which isn’t happening, considering there’s food in Gaza…
Maybe in the start of the war when there was a blockade, but that’s an order from the israeli government and they’re getting an arrest warrant for it.
That’s great consider telling the IPC about it their website must be full of mistakes. Glad you cleared up this myth that israel is committing Genocide with a statement from the incredibly trustworthy israeli army.
Oh, well it’s totally okay then. /s
He’s might be technically right so far, since most of the population is still standing, but depending on where things go next this line could be remembered along with “peace in our time”.
You don’t need to be successful to have committed the crime.
Technically is doing a lot of work here, that was the point.
That being said, requirement for success varies by crime (murder charges are only used if it works), and success usually has to be reasonably forseeable in the cases where it isn’t. Genocide would definitely be in the latter category, and as it is it will be very hard for ZA’s lawyers to prove to the ICJ that Israel has attempted to kill all Palestinians in Gaza, given that only a fraction are actually dead, and Israel could do it very easily if they committed to it.
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You should go read what the UN has to say about genocide. You are wrong. The idea that you have to kill most or all of a group to be guilty of genocide is the biggest misconception there is about it. The entire idea is to prevent it from starting and if it does start, stop it before it gets to the proportions of the Holocaust. At any rate the ICJ just today ordered Israel to halt it’s offensive; allow official access for UN war crimes investigators; and let in all of the aid it’s holding at the borders. Netanyahu immediately refused all three orders.
How much more clear does it need to be?
Edit to add - Just because I can’t not. Attempted Murder is the crime they charge for trying to murder someone. So no you don’t get away just because you failed. And Israel is a lot closer to succeeding than it is failing.
Yeah, attempted murder is a different charge. That was, again, the point.
Technically is doing a lot of work here, that was the point.
^ You’re responding to something other than what I said, so I’ll just repost this.
The UN has written a lot about genocide, at various different levels with different levels of authority. Not all of it matches, and the only thing that’s definitely included is trying to remove a group one of the 5 ways listed.
At any rate the ICJ just today ordered Israel to halt it’s offensive; allow official access for UN war crimes investigators; and let in all of the aid it’s holding at the borders. Netanyahu immediately refused all three orders.
Yep, although that wasn’t a ruling on the charge of genocide itself.
Who cares what the specific charge is? Attempting the crime is still illegal. That’s the point. And those 5 ways are the definitions of Genocide.
Lawyers, judges, fact checkers. I’m not the first two, but I like to play at the third.
If you’re going by the Geneva convention and not something from the Lemkin school of thought, it’s easier to talk about. There’s an effort to create conditions of life which will kill Palestinians, and limited success, but calculated to destroy in whole or part is the sticky bit, since the body count is still low compared to the population. I don’t know, it’s like a drunk that beat someone severely. Was it a poor attempt to kill, or just a successful attempt to maim? The standard of proof required is usually beyond reasonable doubt.
If you were to put using starvation as a weapon or collective punishment to them, there wouldn’t be much doubt, but those are (slightly) lesser charges. Just like you could indict the drunk for aggravated assault or similar fairly plausibly.
How is a man made famine not calculated to destroy them at least in part? This isn’t a case of aid just having trouble. Israel refuses to let the vast majority of it into Gaza.
Guys, can you vote for some third candidate in the US? You have two utter shits as primary candidates, what the actual fuck?
Tankie Joe doing some more Genocide denial.
Bow down for glorious overlord Netanyahu everyone.
