• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    For every voter who wants a habitable planet, a cheap electric car, or to catch covid less we lose, we’re gonna pick up two moderate republicans!

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        That’s the joke.

        There’s a total of about 10 never-trump-republicans, and all of them have jobs at NYT, CNN, or MSNBC telling their audience that all the bad things Biden does are electorally smart because there’s a bunch of moderate republican swing voters who will choose diet-fascism over the real thing.

        This is the same tack they took in 2016, from Chuck Schumer going “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin” to every pundit saying “suberban women are going to decide this election” and using that to explain why generally unpopular policies are electorally smart.

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    4 months ago

    That’s not how you ensure America leads the world in them. That’s how you ensure corps feel safe not doing shit to innovate anymore. This is just another form of a bailout.

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      It does sadly. On the flip side, China seems to be trying to capture car manufacturing markets by subsidizing their producers. This would probably be a bad thing in the future if allowed. Hopefully the US government does more work on making it easier to purchase electric cars in the US(specifically the price) while also reducing the need for driving.

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          Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs

          Tesla? Rivian? Lucid? Faraday? Fisker?

          To be clear, yes, of course I understand that those are all luxury brands, but that doesn’t make your statement any less false.

          No, the major auto manufacturers aren’t going all-in on EVs, but that are all getting deeper every year. There’s no reason to expect that progress to slow down, as they’re all quite entrenched in the technology at this point.

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        4 months ago

        What exactly is wrong with a country subsidizing green energy products? Not only that, but making them available cheaply to other countries?

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          They’re oversaturating the market with low-quality products. This can be a significant problem when there are safety implications.

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            Why can’t they just certify cars based on safety and ban unsafe ones instead of blanket ban the entire segment of them. It certainly helps the adoption of EV among masses.

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            I’m sorry but this argument doesn’t make sense. Don’t you have safety rules in the US? If the Chinese cars aren’t safe to drive nobody should be authorized to drive them in the first place. If they are safe, no need for tariffs then.

            This decision has absolutely nothing to do with alleged poor manufacturing quality. It’s protectionism, pure and simple.

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    We should just be buying solar panels as cheap as we can, as fast we can who gives a fuck if they “dominate” the net positive is worth it

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    The rest of the world will get cheaper solar panels and EVs, that’s quite nice.

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      Cheap panels are tanking European competitors, but it’s probably too late to intervene at this point. Can’t compete with work camps and cheap slave labor.

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        Correct… using work camps and cheap slave labour was only acceptable when US companies shipped production to China and pocketed the profits… now that China is doing it directly, it’s certainly a problem we all care about

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        you seriously think the ONLY possible explanation for cheap solar panels is “cheap slave labor?”

        not the fact that the chinese government has heavily subsidized these industries? your only explanation is work camps? where are the pictures of these work camps, the stories from all of those people who came to the US from China, they must have something to say about all of the slavery and work camps!

        get fucking real and stop living in lib fantasyland

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      Pretty sure you’re being sarcastic, but just to be safe:

      America massively subsidizes too… the difference between China and America is when China subsidizes an industry, prices for the good go down, and their market share expands. When America subsidizes an industry, prices go up and board members get richer.

      The American business owners are salty that China is beating them at capitalism. And Biden has a strong track record of oppressing the people and standing up for the tyrants.

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        Chinese auto workers average less than $3 an hour. When an entire country pays everyone 10% of what US workers make, it gets really hard to compete.

        However; fuck the 1 percenters. Bring back 1950’s taxes.

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          While I agree that worker wages and safety protections are shit in China, one thing nobody mentions when they compare wages is the fact that Chinese people are given free healthcare and affordable housing.

          93 percent of Chinese citizens own their house. They also have a low retirement age. So there are some things that kind of make up for the shit wages and toxic workplace in China.

          I still think its pretty terrible to be lower class over there, but I don’t think its really any more terrible than it is to be lower class in America, honestly.

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        Tomato, tomato. The free market is a myth, there is no part of the economy that goes without manipulation. Anytime business owners can’t directly manipulate the market themselves they bribe governments to do it on their behalf.

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          I don’t think anyone is arguing that a pure free market exists.

          Having a capitalist economy doesn’t mean that you have a pure free market anyway.

          Although there are libertarians that would like to have a free market like that, every capitalist economy has regulations in place in an attempt to prevent monopolies and/or businesses having too much power in one area.

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      As a grammar and language hobbyist, I’m interested in your spelling of hobbiest. Shouldn’t such a word come up so often in your hobbyist communities that you know how to spell it by now?

      Feels like someone living in Texas spelling it Texes.

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    No one in the US will dive into major production of such things without a more guaranteed long term tariff. Not something that may go away within 5 years time. Also, there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell the US will be a world leader in solar production. We might dominate the US market.