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Let’s kind of refocus here because there are 3 things at play.
1: What do you think we need downvotes for, 2: do you think that’s how they’re being used, and 3: are there better tools to accomplish #1?
After that it’s an assessment of other potential cons.
I didn’t do anything of the sort, I made an inference. I am happy to admit it was incorrect. But if you want me to only take your words exactly as written then this conversation is about to get way more annoying.
Self moderation clearly isn’t working if you ask me. Otherwise we wouldn’t have mods in the first place.
I also didn’t say it was the exclusive usage but it’s certainly the dominant one.
that’s nota agree/disagree, that’s filtering for offensive and unwanted content, which you seem convinced only the downvote option can solve and that it does so effectively
Trump apparatus/leeches would rush to Kennedy’s “aid” the moment he took office and he’d gladly work with them. He has no idea what he’s doing.
That’s not really the question either. The question is “why do we have a downvote button/what do we hope it accomplishes?”
If your goal is to have an agree/disagree binary to sort all content, then power to you because that is how it is used. But a lot of people, not just myself, don’t want that.
That’s already a problem. We see that stuff all the time. The only way to stop that behavior is comment/post removals and bans. When have downvotes ever deterred troublemakers?
I think it’s most likely it was a weird but reasonable scenario ultimately but I get why people don’t I guess is more my point.
I don’t really agree but I appreciate you’re laying out your stance and giving me something to consider anyway :)
Believe it or not I actually want to create forums/communities where the cream does rise to the top and everyone feels safe/welcome at all times, so I have a lot of opinions on how they should be run. Voting systems (or lack there of!) are critical for how things operate and meaningfully impact everyone’s experience, so it matters to me.
And at the end of the day, why shouldn’t I care?
Way less. JFK’s assassination is actually wild enough at face value that to not think something conspiratorial happened would be ridiculous. All attempts at explanation have been pretty poor. Now anyone who claims they know what happened is a conspiracy theorist. That’s also true lol.
9/11 the facts are pretty clear cut overall.
He’s an anti-vax piece of shit. No amount of white washing his history or tightening up his talking points for public events would ever convince me to even consider for one second voting for that monster. If he ever polls at even 20% this country is so beyond fucked. Tinfoil hats are our #1 export at this point I swear.
I can see we’re well past the point of productivity then. Have a good weekend, truly.
It’s totally worth debating it because we could simply not have downvotes or at least hide vote scores. That changes people’s behavior demonstrably.
It makes me so angry to watch conservatives cite “maternal health“ in their cases.
Because if downvotes are used to express disagreement then all it does is sort by “things agreed on by the first people in this community that saw it.” In fact many sites (like Reddit) explicitly say that’s not what it’s there for.
Is that how most forums and communities should operate to you? Do you believe that’s how we should sort things? If so then I simply disagree with that notion and there’s not much more to say. If you don’t, then there’s your answer.
It is what it is! I don’t even see downvotes on my end but not surprised it happened. It’s magic internet points so whatever lol
It’s completely relevant. You are arguing that the purpose of down voting is to get rid of the noise/misinformation/dumb stuff/generally unwanted content. I am saying there are better options.
Dammit I’ve got another “high brow” meta analysis of this meme/using this meme buried somewhere…