Millennials are “quiet sleeping” at night… Ungrateful fucks.
I set up a 4-day trip years ago and my SO requested the time off. Denied. Changed the reservation, paid a fee and again denied. In fact, every weekend in June through August was denied due to “seniority” and other employees taking their vacations.
I changed the reservation again (and paid another fee) and told my SO the dates they’ll be sick.
We called early in the morning on the way to a great trip. It felt great. FAFO
When I take vacation, I always phrase it as “I am taking vacation from X to Y”. Requesting time off for vacation you’re owed is such a scam to allow people with little power feel like they can control you.
Yeah, I had a manager try to pull “You’ll need to find coverage for the day.” I’ll ask around, but that kind of sounds like your job. Everybody said no to me, so it’s going to be even harder for you. Best of luck!
Yeah that’s explicitly a people-task, which is supposed to be the whole point of managers
I had a manager try that with me back in the day when I was one of the more reliable people at my job. They told me that if I didn’t find coverage I might not have a job when I come back.
They didn’t appreciate me calling their bluff and saying that I’ll be sure to give them a call when I get back to see if I still have my job.
Yup, this is how I do it. Had ONE manager try the whole “we actually NEED you to come in, we don’t have enough coverage” thing the day I was scheduled to start my vacation, so I sent them a picture from the window of the plane I was on.
It entirely depends on the particular workplace and what is involved, but either way a decent manager should work with you.
“John, Sarah, and James have already asked for that time off, and we have to have someone in the shop. Would you be able to change to this time to this time?” And you never, ever, ever call someone in when they are on PTO. If you, as a manager, okayed it, it’s on you if there’s not enough coverage for whatever reason.
In fairness, I work in Search and Rescue, so operations like mine and other emergency-related workplaces can’t just be like “Oh well, I guess we won’t have coverage that day, Joe wanted to go hunting.” If you work in an office and your work literal lives aren’t depending on you and others being there, then managers should work around it as best they can.
You may work in Search and Rescue but that doesn’t mean they can steal from your paycheck. In workplaces that give you a set amount of time off, that time off is treated like money you are owed. If you are fired or quit, they have to pay you out.
They literally owe you the time off. You earned it. If they don’t let you take it when you need it, it’s like they’re not paying you for work you already did. Would you accept that? I’m guessing no amount of guilting (“it’s Search and Rescue!”) would convince you to give them back your paycheck.
It’s their fault if they don’t hire enough people for you to take a vacation. Not yours. You have to be rested in order to do all the tough aspects of your job, or people could die. Think of it that way.
If your workplace is insane they will still deny you. But yes.
My manager sat on a leave request of mine for a week. When I inquired about it, he said it wasn’t a good time, but begrudgingly approved it. I understand why people are not asking. I get 12 days off a year. If I can’t have the days I want, what’s the fucking point of leave?
Remember that violent protests were used in Europe to establish our rights. It’s incredibly weird looking to the US from the outside. You have the right to bear arms, specifically to oppose tyranny, yet nobody seems to do so.
TL;DR: American Conservatives have spent millions of dollars since the 70s studying language and ideas and figuring out how to frame every issue from a conservative, pro-capital, pro-business perspective.
Well, you see, back during the 1960’s and 1970’s there was a huge push in the US against war, against white supremacy, against fascism, against the draft, against segregation, and many other things. Many of the people who currently hold US political offices today were either in the universities and colleges when these protests were ongoing, or were already working as staffers for conservative politicians. They saw what was going on and became determined to never let these things happen again. In 1971 when then Supreme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell mailed a confidential memo to his friends in the US Chamber of Commerce titled: “Attack on American Free Enterprise System” and outlined Powell’s concerns re: the youth of the US and the growing sentiments against the Vietnam War. He was worried that our nation’s best and brightest were becoming anti business because of our involvemnt in Vietnam. Powell’s agenda included getting wealthy conservatives to set up professorships, setting up institutes on and off campus where intellectuals would write books from a conservative business perspective, and setting up think tanks. He outlined the whole thing in 1970. They set up the Heritage Foundation in 1973, and the Manhattan Institute after that.
And now, as the New York Times Magazine quoted Paul Weyrich, who started the Heritage Foundation, they have 1,500 conservative radio talk show hosts. They have a huge, very good operation, and they understand their own moral system. They understand what unites conservatives, and they understand how to talk about it, and they are constantly updating their research on how best to express their ideas.
Now, you might be wondering why progressives haven’t done the same thing. There’s a systematic reason for that. You can see it in the way that conservative foundations and progressive foundations work. Conservative foundations give large block grants year after year to their think tanks. They say, ‘Here’s several million dollars, do what you need to do.’ And basically, they build infrastructure, they build TV studios, hire intellectuals, set aside money to buy a lot of books to get them on the best-seller lists, hire research assistants for their intellectuals so they do well on TV, and hire agents to put them on TV. They do all of that. Why? Because the conservative moral system has as its highest value preserving and defending the “strict father” system itself. And that means building infrastructure. As businessmen, they know how to do this very well.
Meanwhile, liberals’ conceptual system of the “nurturant parent” has as its highest value helping individuals who need help. The progressive foundations and donors give their money to a variety of grassroots organizations. They say, ‘We’re giving you $25,000, but don’t waste a penny of it. Make sure it all goes to the cause, don’t use it for administration, communication, infrastructure, or career development.’
That is a good analysis. I think it ignores the obvious components that the conservatives are well funded precicely because conservative dogma is all about protecting the owner class. Wealthy business people are not going to fund efforts to impose progressive taxation, mandatory sick time etc.
Sure there are rich people in the arts who lean liberal at least in public, but they are outnumbered and out-spent by capital owners.
The left will never be able to spend as much on communication so the approach has go be completely different. Using the products of capitalism like social media has been effective. Peer-to-peer organizing is slow but costs little. Tacking pro-worker policies onto the platforms of the otherwise pro-business Democrats as a differentiator has lead to some success.
Reaching the mass media reach of the far right is so difficult to do without the capital backing though. The left really needs to get into the talk radio game. NPR tries but they are inevitably quite centrist.
I think unifying ideology is also much easier a task for conservative thought, because it’s all about “F you, got mine.” And “Those that aren’t us are trying to ruin everything.” And “Eat enough leather and maybe you’ll get rich lol.”
Leftier-leaning stuff has a “unity problem” because it seeks to understand and accommodate the vast spectrum of human experiences and points of view. Not that that’s a bad thing, but it’s certainly much tougher and more complex to pitch, and rally, and galvanize.
Conservatives are really good at being chill and most importantly simple for the most part at an introductory level, so they recruit a lot, and then slowly work their adherents into raging, scared, insecure violence-fantasists.
A good example is with men. Leftists groups have a serious deficiency in speaking to and empathizing with masculine issues, and are shocked when normally moderate, but wayward, men are happy to just be accepted…then radicalized, by hyper-nationalist conspiracy theorists with a fetish for sharp geometric symbolism…
Another reason for the lack of liberal response from think tanks in the last few decades is infighting and cultural purity tests: https://theintercept.com/2022/06/13/progressive-organizing-infighting-callout-culture/
It’s completely boggling. The other longer reply nailed it perfectly. But yeah, conservatism is a really weird ideal in that regard.
It’s because it’s all “anti big government”, but usually they’re talking about bringing down social safety nets and building up walls.
They’re so obsessed with governmental tyranny (even though they’re religiously huge fans of police and armed forces…huh?), but they’re completely blind to tyranny on smaller levels, on a domestic scale.
So you usually catch them simping for capitalists instead of opposing them.
“Because one day I’ll get to wear the boot! 🤡”
I think they see abuse by bosses, landlords, and the ilk as “paying ones’ dues” or something. They’ll of course have zero compunction about passing on that abuse if they somehow end up in the high-chair.
So basically: "Don’t tread on me!*
*…Unless you’re my boss. I’m happy I’m at least free to choose my own tyrant among an infinite number of other tyrants, and I’ll
dietalk a really big game to make sure everyone is exploited by private interests instead of government ones!"There’s for-the-people groups like Socialist Rifle Association but they’re smaller in comparison.
Heck, gun-fever and the NRA are basically all private marketing schemes to begin with.
It’s only tyranny if the colored people or the gays do it.
People bragging about not taking their PTO days are quite common in the work place. I always like to remind them that it’s a compensation and part of their contract. Then I brag that this month, I didn’t asked to be paid because I’m dedicated worker like them. It makes them look stupid.
And manager being difficult when requesting PTO are horrible. Because it’s their job to manage staffing. They should understand the concepts explained above. But they don’t, they are probably the kind of people bragging about “working a lot”
In the US the manager’s job regarding staffing is to continually do more work with less people as much as possible to make the bean counters happy.
I’m a remote worker, and work on a pretty free and respected team. I found out the hard way that our PTO accrual expires at the end of the calendar year and starts from 0 on Jan 1. I haven’t submitted leave requests this year. but i have taken time off that i’ve run by my team.
I would check whether that’s actually legal in your area, if I were you.
A friend of mine had a job where she worked remotely most of the time. She would never interact with any other of her colleagues unless if she went offline on Slack for too long or didn’t get her work done. She managed to make some pretty nifty Selenium scripts to do the whole thing for her and delayed it to her usual working speed. I’m pretty sure she spent most of her time working there playing OSRS instead and I think she did actually go away on an extended holiday too.
I’m sorry, but a mental health day is a sick day, and if my mental health is helped by going to the beach, that’s my business.
When the boss asks what are your plans your response is “my plans are my own and very important”
Going camping, won’t have phone or internet service. Bye.
Or going on a cruise. Another way of disconnecting from the world.
My company bars any equipment from leaving the country.
Lots of road trips to Canada.
Why are we discussing a screenshot of a title and not the article?
Why did OP take the effort to take a screenshot of a title, upload it then post this instead of linking to the article?
Millennials Are “Quietly Screenshotting” Headlines Instead Of Linking To Articles: “Probably Something To Do With Avocado Toast” expert warns.
Workers who receive 11 to 15 days of PTO each year are more likely to use up their days, Rodney says, but there’s a significant drop-off once people get 16 or more days.
And here I am, thinking my 30 days are too little.
My friend has unlimited PTO. He’s not even shamed for using it.
I’m envious.
Typically, people take fewer days off when “unlimited”, as they don’t feel they are owed any particular amount.
Also, in the US, employers have to pay departing employees for any unused PTO. If the PTO is “unlimited,” there’s (perhaps counterintuitively) nothing to reimburse.
That’s only true in California. Accrued PTO does not have to be paid out, nor rolled into the next year. Some employers will pay it out but it’s not a law. Except in California.
Wow, I hadn’t even considered this. Here I was jealous.
You and I have been in very similar positions.
Honestly, having had both paid out PTO and unlimited, I’ll take unlimited. It sounds like you’re getting fucked by not getting your PTO paid out, but you also aren’t incentivized to hold onto your PTO on the off chance you get paid out if you leave. I’ve found my mental health to be better now that I’m actively taking my leave instead of rationing it since I can just take it without wondering if I’m going to have to take an unpaid day late in the year.
If your employer is halfway decent, sure. Unfortunately some (like mine) will start denying pto requests once you hit 2 weeks. So then you say “fine, I’ll take it unpaid” and they say “that’s not an option.” The fuck it is…
I’m technically offered 10 days. I’m lucky if I use 6 or 7…
Is it because they wouldn’t be approved? If I have leftovers near the end of the year I just take a few Fridays off, giving myself some long weekends
No, I think my supervisor would approve as many days as I want as long as I also get all of my work done. There’s always just too much work to do, it seems.
But that’s not your problem. If you cannot handle the work assigned to you, you are overworked and that’s the fault of your employer. I think what millennials and zoomers are doing is just not falling for the bullshit we’ve been living with for so long.
I think this bullshit is more prevalent today than in the past. Companies found more loopholes to go around (for example unlimited vacations[1]), the worker protections aren’t enforced as strictly.
I believe this phenomenon is likely US specific.
[1] unlimited vacations look great on paper, but with them the company no longer needs to track of 2 weeks of vacations, so they no longer need to pay them when you leave the company and not used them and also doesn’t have to force you to use it. The peer pressure makes you unlikely to take more anyway to not look like a slacker.
The Swedish vacation law (Semesterlag 1977:480) amateurishly translated by me. And I am in no way experienced enough in our labour law to comment on how it looks for those not working full time. The short lesson is to Remember Ådalen, or those that fought, bled and died four our labour rights.
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If nothing else have been agreed upon, the vacation is to be scheduled such that the employee get a vacation period of at least four weeks during june -augustUnions work. Labour movements work.
How move Sweden. Am enjunear. Want make industry.
Depending on where you’re from you’ll face different challenges. If you’re an EU/Schengen citizen you can pretty much just mosy on over here. If you have a full-time job and/or enough money, as well as some form of health insurance you’ll be able to get a personnummer quite easily. If you’re outside of the EU things get trickier, but having a job lined up here will make things easier.
There’s also the spousal path, though given our current nazi-xenophobic government I’m expecting a lot of those avenues to get tougher.
Well, you already speak the language, so that’s a start.
Probs because companies have that bullshit ‘unlimited PTO’ that’s often not real
It’s weird, I’ve got unlimited PTO and have taken more time in a year than I did overall at any of the jobs I’ve been at, and they’ve been super accommodating with a medical issue I have.
Last year I took over 30 PTO days, I’ve been lucky to get 8-12 days yearly at previous gigs. Unlimited PTO can be amazing if you have decent leadership.
That isn’t “normal” though. Part of the reason that companies like unlimited PTO is that typically workers take less PTO when unlimited is offered.
I had 8 weeks paid per year in my last job, so rolling in to this one with unlimited I pretty much do the same. But for sure I’m a bit of an anomaly. I rarely see others taking time.
Employee: I’d like to use my PTO
Boss: No
Employee: (goes on vacation anyway)
Boss’s best friend news:
It sounds like because there’s a shitload of distrust for workplace managers and HR departments, some workers are being very reserved about what they tell their bosses.
If bosses are going to presume you’re lazy for taking breaks and using PTO, it might be better to offer a less triggering explanation.
Very much like if a website refuses to serve Firefox or VPNs, it might be useful to hide your website and VPN use.
My boss after approving my time off: So what you gonna do with your time off?
Me: rest.
Boss: going anywhere?
Me: I’m gonna rest.
Boss: ohh you gotta do something fun.
Me: I am, resting.
I’m not telling you shit you weird fuck, plus you dont pay me enough to go on holiday so imma take advantage of not having to be here by resting my over worked body.
My boss is like, “Okay cool.” I’m glad I have a good boss.
I work retail, my bosses like to think they own us out of work, he does not like it when I tell him I consider myself unemployed when I’m not actively being paid by the company.
I added every normal contact to my white list and put my phone on do not disturb when I’m living my actual life, anyone I actually want to talk to can contact me and I already ignore private numbers or numbers not in my contacts, sonthey can’t try and trick me.
I work my contract and only my contract.
Man millennials really like to do things quietly
It’s rarely worth an argument. Especially for the early millennials that came up when boomers were still running around everywhere.
I don’t know what the article says they’re doing, but yeah, if there’s a way to do something without having to talk to cranky old people about it, we’re just going to do shit the quiet way.
Why give them the opportunity to turn it into an argument?
Dealing with those boomers is like dealing with toddlers.
early millennials
Personally I prefer Elder Millennial. Makes it sound more dignified and you can never go wrong with an Iliza Schlesinger reference (she coined the term and named a brilliant stand up special after it) 😁
Oregon Trail generation captures it perfectly, but it never really caught on.
The “Oregon Trail generation” is generally known as the Xennials which is people born from 77-83, so it’s not just Elder Millenials. I’m in this group and think Oregon Trail generation is a cooler name, but that’s probably because I played a shitload of Oregon Trail.
Oregon Trail II master race.
Zod has died of dysentery.
Almost every time, except when its cholera :)
I have never heard this but will be using it exclusively to describe my age for the rest of my life.
If “quiet quitting” was just doing the absolute bare minimum, wtf is “quiet vacationing?” Showing up to work but then spending all day in VR at a virtual beach while at your desk? 🤷🏻♂️
Quiet quitting was doing what you were hired to do, and not taking on stuff beyond your role. I’m guessing that quiet vacationing means you take the breaks that are in your contract, or that you sleep in your free time.
I still don’t understand how people got “quiet quitting” so twisted, or why. The term came from businesses looking at employee behaviours and discovering leading indicators of quitting. It had nothing to do with working-to-rule, and was entirely about being able to identify that an employee had one foot out the door.
This is a really simple concept, which makes the reappropriation of the term seem purposful.
I looked it up, it’s when remote workers go on vacations without telling anyone.
If the work is done on time, who gives a fuck.
Middle managers everywhere, being little bitches.
No point in asking for what you know you deserve but aren’t going to get.
