Sources told CBS News that they expected potentially “dozens” of Democratic lawmakers to come out against the president over the next 48 hours.

No exact number was immediately confirmed, but the network reported that “dozens” of legislators are expected to come out against the president. Two sources told CBS that the planning is coordinated, with some of the statements pre-written. One insider added that the weekend could be “brutal” for Biden, and that it could be impossible for him to continue as the party’s presumptive nominee as early as next week.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    2 months ago

    You’re apparently convinced that replacing Biden, who has successfully passed major progressive legislation, is the right move because an extreme minority of democratic politicians and (not coincidentally) majority of conservatives want Biden to step down

    How many Dem congresscritters coming out would it take to convince you that it’s not just a minority? Keeping in mind that making a public statement is already a very radical position, especially at this point in the race.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      2 months ago

      A majority would convince me that a minority is not a minority…

      It’s a damaging position for pelosi and others to take especially at this point in the race.

      But not radical, since the calls are not new or departing from the norm.

      Like the calls for Gore and Clinton to step down from their candidacies for similarly irrelevant reasons.

      Heck, pelosi is 3 years older than Biden.

      By your reckoning, your championing of pelosi is invalid because she’s too old.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Like the calls for Gore and Clinton to step down from their candidacies for similarly irrelevant reasons.

        They weren’t the incumbents, and weren’t being asked by sitting congressmen to step down at the last possible minute for the good of the party.

        By your reckoning, your championing of pelosi is invalid because she’s too old.

        At what point have I used age as my reasoning for why Biden needs to be replaced?

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
          11·
          2 months ago

          That’s the argument people are using that you’re agreeing with.

          It’s the same type of irrelevant invective used by conservatives before to great success.

          Doesn’t make the insults relevant arguments.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            That’s the argument people are using that you’re agreeing with.

            No, the argument the Congressmen are making is that Biden is not up to the task of running a presidential campaign. If it was just his age, they would have spoken up before. He didn’t suddenly jump in age a few years, surprising everyone.

            • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              2 months ago

              He didn’t surprise everyone.

              Everyone is pretending they’re surprised.

              Him not being able to faithfully execute the office of the presidency is obviously an illogical argument since he’s been doing it for 4 years straight without a problem.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                Him not being able to faithfully execute the office of the presidency is obviously an illogical argument since he’s been doing it for 4 years straight without a problem.

                Okay, a few things here.

                1. Age, even without any other factors, does sap your capabilities. This may shock you, but Biden is not as lively as he was 10 years ago. Shocking, I know.

                2. The argument is not that he is incapable of executing the office of the presidency, but that he is incapable of running a campaign of the intensity necessary to defeat the fascists in the GOP, while simultaneously executing the office of the president.

                3. Biden is at the age where degeneration can happen very quickly. He’s unlikely to get better. He’s likely to get worse.

                • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  2 months ago
                  1. “Age, even without any other factors, does sap your capabilities. This may shock you, but Biden is not as lively as he was 10 years ago. Shocking, I know.”

                  This is exactly my point. You’re pretending to be surprised that he’s old so that you can agree with a pop culture invective that is entirely irrelevant to his presidency and candidacy.

                  Same thing as Gore being “boring” or Clinton being “ill”.

                  Conservative insults with a grain of truth that are completely irrelevant to their policies or ability to administrate the executive branch, but very damaging to their candidacy.

                  1. So your argument is that if he doesn’t step down, he might lose the election?

                  Don’t let this shock you, but a political candidate might win or lose any election regardless of their “intensity”.

                  Biden didn’t need to be as much of an asshole as one of the GOP when he won 4 years ago, he doesn’t have to now.

                  1. This is the same point with the same inherent critical flaw as your first:

                  Biden is old.

                  Being old hasn’t stopped him winning the presidency already and passing progressive legislation for the past 4 years.

                  Insults have no bearing on biden’s performance during his presidency or his candidacy.

                  You’re anxious.

                  Take your anxieties further to their logical conclusions.

                  1. Biden is reelected, he passes away sometime during his second term, we still have a democratic executive branch with a proven track record of progressive legislation.

                  Not exactly a nightmare scenario.

                  1. Biden loses: it is an election. Sometimes the guy you want to win doesn’t win.

                  Do you think repeating thetired and demonstrably false conservative complaints that have been irrelevant for biden’s entire first term are going to benefit scenario 1 or scenario 2?

                  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    Don’t let this shock you, but a political candidate might win or lose any election regardless of their “intensity”.

                    Biden didn’t need to be as much of an asshole as one of the GOP when he won 4 years ago, he doesn’t have to now.

                    Fuck, man, by intensity I don’t mean being an asshole, I mean the tempo of the campaign. Speeches, visits, interviews.

                    Do you think repeating thetired and demonstrably false conservative complaints that have been irrelevant for biden’s entire first term are going to benefit scenario 1 or scenario 2?

                    As I’ve said, regardless of whether or not it’s true, Biden has very clearly lost the confidence of his party, and that is deeply damaging for a campaign. If Biden manages to hang onto the nomination, I’m still voting for him come November - I’ll vote for a fucking potato on the Dem ticket if the alternative is fascism. But we need to act to maximize our chances of victory in November, and Biden continuing on the ticket does not maximize our chances at this point in time.